Build talk:Team - Barrage/Pet

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Contents 1 Ritualists 2 Uh 3 Someone screwed with the monk 4 Fast Pull Builds 5 Deletion? 6 Winnowing??? 7 Templates don't match 8 the mm 9 Great Dwarf Weapon? 10 The Rt/N

Build talk:Team - Barrage/Pet/Archive1

[edit] Ritualists

Minion Bomber build for the Ritualist/Necromancer is wrong, it should have Animate Bone Minions and Taste of Death like so:

Ritualist / Necromancer 12 + 1 + 3 Spawning Power 12 Death Magic Animate Bone Minions Core Necromancer. Death Magic 12 Animate Bone Minions Spell Exploit nearest corpse to animate two level 10 bone minions. 5 3 15 Animate Shambling Horror Nightfall Necromancer. Death Magic 12 Animate Shambling Horror Spell Exploit nearest corpse to create a level 14 shambling horror. When the shambling horror dies, it is replaced by a level 12 jagged horror that causes Bleeding with each of its attacks. 25 3 15 Animate Flesh Golem Factions Necromancer. Death Magic 12 Animate Flesh Golem Elite Spell Exploit nearest corpse to animate a level 21 Flesh Golem. The Flesh Golem leaves an exploitable corpse. You can have only one Flesh Golem at a time. 30 3 10 Death Nova Core Necromancer. Death Magic 12 Death Nova Enchantment Spell For 30 seconds, if target ally dies, all adjacent foes take 85 damage and are Poisoned for 15 seconds. 2 5 Signet of Creation Factions Ritualist. Spawning Power 16 Signet of Creation Signet For 5..30 seconds, your next 1..3 Binding Rituals cast instantly. 30 2 Boon of Creation Factions Ritualist. Spawning Power 16 Boon of Creation Enchantment Spell For 63 seconds, whenever you create a creature, you gain 53 Health and 6 Energy. 45 2 10 Explosive Growth Factions Ritualist. Spawning Power 16 Explosive Growth Enchantment Spell For 63 seconds, whenever you create a creature, up to 5 foes near that creature are struck for 68 lightning damage. 45 2 5 Taste of Death Core Necromancer. Death Magic 12 Taste of Death Spell Steal up to 340 Health from target animated undead ally. ¼ 5 Template code

Because it does double damage from Explosive Growth as it creates two minions instead of just one (ie:2x68 Lightning Damage), the level of the Minions doesn't matter because the whole point is for them to die anyway.

Also why no Ritualist/Ranger Splinter Barrager?

Ritualist / Ranger 12 + 1 + 3 Channeling Magic 12 Marksmanship 3 Beast Mastery Splinter Weapon Factions Ritualist. Channeling Magic 16 Splinter Weapon Weapon Spell For 20 seconds, target ally has a Splinter Weapon. Target ally's next 5 attacks deal 53 damage to up to 3 adjacent foes. 5 1 5 Barrage Core Ranger. Marksmanship 12 Barrage Elite Bow Attack All your Preparations are removed. Shoot arrows at target foe and up to 6 foes adjacent to your target. These arrows strike for +17 damage if they hit. 1 5 Nightmare Weapon Factions Ritualist. Channeling Magic 16 Nightmare Weapon Weapon Spell For 12 seconds, target ally has a Nightmare Weapon. Target ally's next 3 attacks are reduced by 53 damage and steal up to 53 Health. 10 1 5 Triple Shot (Luxon) Factions Ranger. Luxon rank Triple Shot (Luxon) Bow Attack Shoot 3 arrows simultaneously at target foe. These arrows deal 40..25% less damage. 10 10 Ancestors' Rage Factions Ritualist. Channeling Magic 16 Ancestors' Rage Skill For 3 second, nothing happens. When this skill ends, all foes adjacent to target ally are struck for 33 lightning damage. 8 ¼ 5 Charm Animal Core Ranger. Beast Mastery 3 Charm Animal Skill Charm target animal. Once charmed, your animal companion will travel with you whenever you have Charm Animal equipped. 10 10 Comfort Animal Core Ranger. Beast Mastery 3 Comfort Animal Skill You heal your animal companion for 37 Health. If your companion is dead, it is resurrected with 20% Health. 1 1 10 Flesh of My Flesh Factions Ritualist. Restoration Magic Flesh of My Flesh Spell Lose half your Health. Resurrect target party member with your current Health and 5..17..21% Energy. 4 5 Template code

The AoE damage they can achieve thanks to the much higher Channeling, coupled with "I Am The Strongest!" (exchange for Wailing Weapon) is insane compared to the Ranger version. Zealous is not required either due to the much higher energy available and the energy recovery. Selket Shadowdancer 03:57, 4 January 2008 (EST)

Why not Rt/R Splinter? No Expertise. 'Nuff said. Dr4goN (talk/pvxcontribs) 14:15, 4 January 2008 (EST)

Lack of Expertise on a proffession with higher energy, higher energy recovery, and overall more AoE damage, isn't a problem. Selket Shadowdancer 12:09, 18 January 2008 (EST)

But you won't always be triggering splinter, and in those cases I'd much rather have higher marks. -- Armond Warblade{{sysop}} 13:49, 18 January 2008 (EST)

The higher AoE damage from higher points in Channeling, not to mention heightened life stealing and AoE interrupting capabilities more than make up for that. I've never had any issues using my Ritualist in Tombs as a Barrager and if you can throw in a Critical Barrager then I see no reason why a Splinter Barrage Ritualist/Ranger shouldn't get a mention too. Wielders Strike goes in nicely too. Selket Shadowdancer 19:32, 18 January 2008 (EST)

Wailing Weapon, Nightmare Weapon, and Wielder's Strike are all bad. Your job is to send out as many arrows as fast as possible and have them all trigger splinter. -- Armond Warblade{{sysop}} 14:04, 19 January 2008 (EST)

Wailing Weapon=AoE interrupt when used with Barrage, hardly bad. Wielders Strike is not even in the build I posted. Nightmare Weapon used with Triple Shot is for finishing off remaining targets with 141 armour ignoring damage and also gives impressive self healing. Most of the time you will be simply spamming Splinter Weapon and Barrage, the other skills are to deal with other situations as nessacary and make you a bit more versatile without spreading attributes out too thinly. Selket Shadowdancer 16:40, 21 January 2008 (EST)

Wailing Weapon is bad. --71.229.204.25 16:44, 21 January 2008 (EST)

There's no point in carrying bloody three weapon spells when you can just kill everyone with one. -- Armond Warblade{{sysop}} 17:55, 21 January 2008 (EST)

If that's how you feel about it then add some skills that you think are more suitable for the task then as it's only a suggestion. Still doesn't change the fact that a Ritualist/Ranger Splinter Barrager is still far more effective for doing mass AoE damage that a Critical Barrager and on those grounds alone deserves a mention if a Critical Barager can be added. EDIT: Also unless you have a specific reason for it you still haven't fixed the Minion Bomber either as mentioned above. Selket Shadowdancer 19:17, 21 January 2008 (EST)

I've not been paying attention to this build much, as ToPK is kind of a joke and a balanced build owns it. If someone else wants to put it in, do so, but make sure it's good before putting it in. (On that note, if the crit barrager's still in, it should be taken out.) -- Armond Warblade{{sysop}} 19:55, 21 January 2008 (EST)

While not superior to a Splinter Barrager I feel that any build that is good enough to allow other proffessions to join teams to farm Tombs is worthy of being added. Critical Barrager should stay in my opinion. Selket Shadowdancer 21:36, 21 January 2008 (EST)

So would you advocate adding in a bar with barrage, charm, and comfort? Cause that works too. -- Armond Warblade{{sysop}} 14:33, 22 January 2008 (EST)

I see where this is going, but the Assassin version does offer something most other Barragers cannot achieve. AoE Bleeding and Critical Hits with great energy management. It's not better than a Splinter Barrager (either Ritualist or Ranger primary) for mass AoE damage, but it's a damn good alternative that allows an Assassin to join a Barrage Pet team and actually do something to make it worth it's place in the team in the first place. Selket Shadowdancer 14:51, 22 January 2008 (EST)

It can't hope to keep up with the damage of a splinter barrager, it can't spread bleeding nearly as well due to the introduction of Jagged Horrors, and Expertise works fine as energy management. Why do we have it again? -- Armond Warblade{{sysop}} 18:54, 22 January 2008 (EST)

But you see, this is my point, I'm not saying it can. I'm saying it's a decent alternative that allows an Assassin to participate in Tombs parties. Selket Shadowdancer 19:07, 22 January 2008 (EST)

But does that make it good? Unfortunately, no. -- Armond Warblade{{sysop}} 22:32, 22 January 2008 (EST)

On it's own merits, what isn't good about a Critical Barrager? Selket Shadowdancer 06:26, 23 January 2008 (EST)

Four posts up. -- Armond Warblade{{sysop}} 16:54, 23 January 2008 (EST)

I said on its own merits. That means not compared to another build. Selket Shadowdancer 17:07, 26 January 2008 (EST)

A build with Barrage, Charm Animal, and Comfort Animal has the merits of being able to complete tombs. We can't compare it to a splinter barrager, can we? Oh, wait, it sucks. So we are comparing them, because we want builds to work well. -- Armond Warblade{{sysop}} 17:20, 26 January 2008 (EST)

How does a Critical Barrager suck? Please explain. Selket Shadowdancer 17:26, 26 January 2008 (EST)

So you're back to your original fallacious argument that builds with similar functions can't be compared. Oh, okay, assuming that makes a lot of sense. Auron, lol -Shen 17:31, 26 January 2008 (EST)

Awnser the question. Selket Shadowdancer 17:34, 26 January 2008 (EST)

Ten (10) posts up. -Shen 17:35, 26 January 2008 (EST)

It was actually ten, but you beat me to saying that, so now I get to say eleven posts up from here. Damn you double edit conflicts. Still eleven posts up from here. -- Armond Warblade{{sysop}} 17:36, 26 January 2008 (EST)

That doesn't qualify the Critical Barrager as a bad build that sucks though does it? That just qualifies it as a build that is unfavoured compared to a Splinter Barrager. So... as I said, awnser the question. Why does a Critical Barager suck? Selket Shadowdancer 17:39, 26 January 2008 (EST)

Actually, it does qualify it as a build that sucks. -- Armond Warblade{{sysop}} 17:41, 26 January 2008 (EST)

Builds Excellent rating says otherwise. Selket Shadowdancer 17:45, 26 January 2008 (EST)

Yeah, that's because the team as a whole is excellent. Besides, it's not on the main page, last I checked. -- Armond Warblade{{sysop}} 17:46, 26 January 2008 (EST)

I was talking about the Critical Barragers rating. Not the team builds rating. Selket Shadowdancer 17:52, 26 January 2008 (EST)

Where do you find that? -- Armond Warblade{{sysop}} 17:53, 26 January 2008 (EST)

On it's friggin build page. You should bloody know where to find it Mr Sysop, lol. Selket Shadowdancer 17:55, 26 January 2008 (EST)

(Less EC's nub)Why? To demonstrate a point, look at TA rangers. They take Purge Sig and sometimes Holy Viel. Because Guild Wars is a team game. Same with Crit Barrage+MM's/Splinter Barrage. -Shen 17:56, 26 January 2008 (EST)

Don't call me a nub, that's just uncalled for. Also I don't get the point you are trying to make. Selket Shadowdancer 18:00, 26 January 2008 (EST)

I was talking to Armond, jokingly. Sorry if you misinterpreted that. Point is, your "great rating on Crit Barrager Build" argument is shot because this is a team build. -Shen 18:02, 26 January 2008 (EST)

So it's removed because it's inferior to a Splinter Barrager. Say goodbye to the Ranger Paragon too then. No way is that superior to a Critical Barrager, nevermind a Splinter Barrager on that arguement alone. Selket Shadowdancer 18:04, 26 January 2008 (EST)

I've been debating that, but for now I'm thinking it should stay simply because it provides party support that the splinter barrager doesn't. -- Armond Warblade{{sysop}} 18:52, 26 January 2008 (EST)

It would provide more support by Splintering and adding more WTF AoE damage pwnage in my opinion. If you want the best then Splinter Barrage Rangers and Ritualists are the way to go. Leave the support to the other proffession in the team build seems that's what they're there for. No point sacrificing damage if you want to go for the best that the build can be. Selket Shadowdancer 20:13, 26 January 2008 (EST)

[edit] Uh

Why the move? -- Armond Warblade{{sysop}} 00:08, 5 January 2008 (EST)

I had the same question. In-game, I've only ever seen it called "B/P" or "barrage/pet", not "B P" or "barrage pet", so the / should stay. ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 11:38, 5 January 2008 (EST)

Duh, PvX:NAME. For whatever stupid reason it said you could use ' and not /. Changed now, gonna move back. -- Armond Warblade{{sysop}} 14:12, 5 January 2008 (EST)

[edit] Someone screwed with the monk

And I'm tired right now and don't feel like fixing it/deciding if it should be fixed. There are other edits in the way, too. ¬ Wizårdbõÿ777(sysop) 22:35, 7 January 2008 (EST)

WHERE DID YOU PUT THE BONE FIENDS ON THE MM? WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH THEM!? GIVE THEM BAAAAAACKKKKKKKKKKKKK........ *sob* I Am Jebus 20:54, 16 January 2008 (EST)

Bone fiends make for bad tanks. You know, the whole "not being frontliners" thing. -- Armond Warblade{{sysop}} 00:40, 17 January 2008 (EST)

[edit] Fast Pull Builds

As I frequent tombs often, I believe that some other players and I have come up with an ideal team set-up for running it efficiently and quickly (we have done runs in a total of 29 minutes). We call our runs fast pull, and it is characterized by the larger then normal groups we aggro, the use of dual pullers (not every time-- but for fastest times, dual is suggested), and the efficiency of the builds (and players >.>).

Of course, to run fast pulls, the pullers must be practiced, along with the MM to know the positioning, and the rest of the group should be able to keep up. The builds we use, however, seem a lot more efficient then most of the norm builds used regularly by all of the variant players.

The group set up I would suggest is:

Ranger- Primary Puller

Ranger- Secondary Puller

Ranger-Primary Support (in charge of resurrecting dead party members if the Orders is dead and using the spirit Favorable Winds)

Ranger- Secondary Support (In change of using the spirit Favorable Winds if the primary support rangers Fw has died prematurely or the skill has not recharged yet.)

Spiteful Spirit Necro- Added DPS arsenal for killing faster

Orders Necro- Responsible primarily for energy for the monk, then for resurrecting dead party members, then for using Orders skills.

Minion Master

Monk

Tombs Puller

Ranger / Ritualist 8 + 1 Marksmanship 8 + 1 Beast Mastery 10 + 1 + 1 Expertise 10 Channeling Magic Splinter Weapon Factions Ritualist. Channeling Magic 10 Splinter Weapon Weapon Spell For 20 seconds, target ally has a Splinter Weapon. Target ally's next 4 attacks deal 35 damage to up to 3 adjacent foes. 5 1 5 Barrage Core Ranger. Marksmanship 9 Barrage Elite Bow Attack All your Preparations are removed. Shoot arrows at target foe and up to 6 foes adjacent to your target. These arrows strike for +14 damage if they hit. 1 3 Dodge Prophecies Ranger. Expertise 12 Dodge Stance For 10 seconds, you move 33% faster and have a 65% chance to block incoming projectiles. Dodge ends if you attack. 30 3 Zojun's Haste Factions Ranger. Expertise 12 Zojun's Haste Stance For 10 seconds, you move 33% faster and have a 65% chance to block incoming projectiles. Zojun's Haste ends if you attack. 30 3 Distracting Shot Core Ranger. Expertise 12 Distracting Shot Bow Attack If Distracting Shot hits, it interrupts target foe's action but deals only 13 damage. If the interrupted action was a skill, that skill is disabled for an additional 20 seconds. 10 ½ 3 Charm Animal Core Ranger. Beast Mastery 9 Charm Animal Skill Charm target animal. Once charmed, your animal companion will travel with you whenever you have Charm Animal equipped. 10 5 Comfort Animal Core Ranger. Beast Mastery 9 Comfort Animal Skill You heal your animal companion for 70 Health. If your companion is dead, it is resurrected with 39% Health. 1 1 5 "I Am Unstoppable!" EotN No Profession. Norn rank "I Am Unstoppable!" Shout For 16..20 seconds, you have +24 armor and cannot be knocked down or Crippled. 30 5 Template code

“I Am Unstoppable.” can be replaced by Flesh of my flesh but due to the fact that when a ranger is pulling underground wurms he is prone to being knocked down, the anti KD is nice to have.It is best that you have NO superiour runes, as taking alot of damage may occur, i suggest all survivour insignias and the highest vigour you can afford. Your bow should be requirment 9, as you will need the expertise alot more. energy should be ran at around 27 ish, try it out and enjoy ^^ D Magico 11:06, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

Support Ranger

Ranger / Ritualist 7 + 3 Marksmanship 8 + 1 Beast Mastery 8 + 1 Expertise 12 Channeling Magic Splinter Weapon Factions Ritualist. Channeling Magic 12 Splinter Weapon Weapon Spell For 20 seconds, target ally has a Splinter Weapon. Target ally's next 4 attacks deal 41 damage to up to 3 adjacent foes. 5 1 5 Barrage Core Ranger. Marksmanship 10 Barrage Elite Bow Attack All your Preparations are removed. Shoot arrows at target foe and up to 6 foes adjacent to your target. These arrows strike for +15 damage if they hit. 1 3 Favorable Winds Core Ranger. Marksmanship 10 Favorable Winds Nature Ritual Create a level 7 Spirit with 140 Health and 44 armor. For non-Spirit creatures within its range, arrows move twice as fast and strike for +6 damage. This Spirit dies after 110 seconds. 60 5 3 Throw Dirt Core Ranger. Expertise 9 Throw Dirt Skill Target touched foe and foes adjacent to your target become Blinded for 10 seconds. 30 1 3 Distracting Shot Core Ranger. Expertise 9 Distracting Shot Bow Attack If Distracting Shot hits, it interrupts target foe's action but deals only 10 damage. If the interrupted action was a skill, that skill is disabled for an additional 20 seconds. 10 ½ 3 Charm Animal Core Ranger. Beast Mastery 9 Charm Animal Skill Charm target animal. Once charmed, your animal companion will travel with you whenever you have Charm Animal equipped. 10 6 Comfort Animal Core Ranger. Beast Mastery 9 Comfort Animal Skill You heal your animal companion for 70 Health. If your companion is dead, it is resurrected with 39% Health. 1 1 6 Flesh of My Flesh Factions Ritualist. Restoration Magic Flesh of My Flesh Spell Lose half your Health. Resurrect target party member with your current Health and 5..17..21% Energy. 4 5 Template code

For the support rangers, we’ve found that the spirit Winnowing is not necessarily needed, and as we are trying to go with all Ranger/Ritualists for the extra damage Splinter Weapon provides. It is particularly difficult to spread attributes among all the required areas, and I feel that putting Wilderness Survival up just for Winnowing is not worth it. I also expressly disagree with the use of Troll Unguent because of the long cast time and again, the split in attribute points.

Another point about rangers is that since a recent nerf the made it impossible for the MM to exploit pet corpses, the ranger’s pet is needed more now then ever to act as a wall, and therefore, the constant use of comfort animal when the pet has died is essential, coupled with raised Beast Mastery to assure that the pet will not be a useless instant KO.

Another job for the support ranger is to splinter itself and other in required situations, also splintering the pullers will help kill faster and therefore make the trip easier and safer overall.

SS Necro

Necromancer / Mesmer 12 + 1 + 3 Curses 11 + 1 Soul Reaping 6 Inspiration Magic Mantra of Resolve Core Mesmer. Inspiration Magic 6 Mantra of Resolve Stance For 54 seconds, you cannot be interrupted, but each time you would have been interrupted, you lose 8 Energy or Mantra of Resolve ends. 20 10 Spiteful Spirit Prophecies Necromancer. Curses 16 Spiteful Spirit Elite Hex Spell For 21 seconds, whenever target foe attacks or uses a skill, Spiteful Spirit deals 37 shadow damage to that foe and all adjacent allies of that foe. 10 2 15 Arcane Echo Core Mesmer. Unlinked Arcane Echo Enchantment Spell If you cast a Spell in the next 20 seconds, Arcane Echo is replaced with that Spell for 20 seconds. Arcane Echo ends prematurely if you use a non-Spell skill. 20 2 15 Defile Enchantments Factions Necromancer. Curses 16 Defile Enchantments Spell Target foe and all nearby foes take 64 shadow damage and 21 shadow damage for each Enchantment on them. 15 2 10 Desecrate Enchantments Prophecies Necromancer. Curses 16 Desecrate Enchantments Spell Target foe and all nearby foes take 64 shadow damage and 21 shadow damage for each Enchantment on them. 15 2 10 Optional Core No Profession. Unlinked Optional Optional Optional. Mark of Pain Core Necromancer. Curses 16 Mark of Pain Hex Spell For 30 seconds, whenever target foe takes physical damage, Mark of Pain deals 42 shadow damage to adjacent foes. 20 1 10 Barbs Core Necromancer. Curses 16 Barbs Hex Spell For 30 seconds, target foe takes 16 more damage when hit by physical damage. 5 2 10 Template code

The SS is one of the main damage dealers of the group, causing the kills to be faster. Mark of Pain is to be echoed against larger groups (such as grasps) and coupled with the ranger’s Barrage / Splinter Weapon combination, larger groups can go down in seconds.

Minion Master

Since MMing doesn’t really vary greatly, I will just show an example of a bar that might work best with fast pull.

MM with a Run skill

Necromancer / Ranger 12 + 1 + 3 Death Magic 10 + 1 Soul Reaping 8 Wilderness Survival Animate Flesh Golem Factions Necromancer. Death Magic 16 Animate Flesh Golem Elite Spell Exploit nearest corpse to animate a level 26 Flesh Golem. The Flesh Golem leaves an exploitable corpse. You can have only one Flesh Golem at a time. 30 3 10 Animate Shambling Horror Nightfall Necromancer. Death Magic 16 Animate Shambling Horror Spell Exploit nearest corpse to create a level 18 shambling horror. When the shambling horror dies, it is replaced by a level 16 jagged horror that causes Bleeding with each of its attacks. 25 3 15 Animate Vampiric Horror Factions Necromancer. Death Magic 16 Animate Vampiric Horror Spell Exploit nearest corpse to animate a level 18 Vampiric Horror. Whenever a Vampiric Horror you control deals damage, you gain the same amount of Health. 15 3 15 Animate Bone Horror Prophecies Necromancer. Death Magic 16 Animate Bone Horror Spell Exploit nearest corpse to animate a level 18 bone horror. 5 3 10 Animate Bone Fiend Core Necromancer. Death Magic 16 Animate Bone Fiend Spell Exploit nearest corpse to animate a level 18 Bone Fiend. Bone Fiends can attack at range. 5 3 25 Blood of the Master Core Necromancer. Death Magic 16 Blood of the Master Spell All of your undead allies are healed for 122 Health. You sacrifice an additional 2% maximum Health per minion healed in this way. 2 1 5 Death Nova Core Necromancer. Death Magic 16 Death Nova Enchantment Spell For 30 seconds, if target ally dies, all adjacent foes take 105 damage and are Poisoned for 15 seconds. 2 5 Storm Chaser Core Ranger. Wilderness Survival 8 Storm Chaser Stance For 14 seconds, you move 25% faster, and you gain 3 Energy whenever you take elemental damage. 20 10 Template code

Storm Chaser of course may be replaced with any other run skill, it is simply used to keep up to the puller and to get into position. The MM in fast pull is not expected to self-heal.

Orders

Necromancer / Monk 12 + 3 + 1 Blood Magic 8 + 3 Soul Reaping 8 Healing Prayers 6 Protection Prayers Rebirth Core Monk. Protection Prayers 6 Rebirth Spell Resurrect target party member. Target party member is returned to life with 25% Health and zero Energy, and is teleported to your current location. All of target's skills are disabled for 7 seconds. This Spell consumes all of your remaining Energy. 5 10 Mending Core Monk. Healing Prayers 8 Mending Enchantment Spell While you maintain this Enchantment, target ally gains +3 Health regeneration. 2 10 -1 Healing Breeze Core Monk. Healing Prayers 8 Healing Breeze Enchantment Spell For 15 seconds, target ally gains +7 Health regeneration. 2 1 10 Convert Hexes Core Monk. Protection Prayers 6 Convert Hexes Spell Remove all Hexes from target other ally. For 13 seconds, that ally gains +10 armor for each Necromancer Hex that was removed. 12 1 15 Blood Renewal Prophecies Necromancer. Blood Magic 16 Blood Renewal Enchantment Spell For 10 seconds, you gain +6 Health regeneration. When Blood Renewal ends, you gain 200 Health. 10 1 1 Order of Pain Core Necromancer. Blood Magic 16 Order of Pain Enchantment Spell For 5 seconds, whenever a party member hits a foe with physical damage, that party member does +17 damage. 2 10 Masochism EotN Necromancer. Soul Reaping 11 Masochism Enchantment Spell For 30 seconds, you gain 3 Energy whenever you sacrifice Health. 20 1 5 Blood is Power Core Necromancer. Blood Magic 16 Blood is Power Elite Enchantment Spell For 10 seconds, target other ally gains +6 Energy regeneration. ¼ 1 Template code

This orders build is not to be run with 1hp. With Mending and Blood Renewal the Orders should be able to keep their health up while using Bip. Healing Breeze can be replaced with another self heal in case the Orders should find his/herself getting low in health. I recommend running it with slightly lower then average health. Convert Hexes is to be used on any person under the effect of Empathy—as it will kill any barrager who attacks while enchanted with it. The orders is also to be expected to use Bip on any member or the group, for it is vital that the rangers receive energy enough to revive their pets, for the MM to make minions, and most importantly, for the monk to heal. As monking can be very draining on energy in fast pull, Bip is highly suggested for faster/more regeneration. A Major Rune can be brought to lower health for faster regen,which helps you bip alot more at one time,D Magico 20:47, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

Monk

Monk / Elementalist 12 + 3 Healing Prayers 12 + 2 Divine Favor Optional Core No Profession. Unlinked Optional Optional Optional. Healer's Boon Nightfall Monk. Divine Favor 14 Healer's Boon Elite Enchantment Spell For 52 seconds. Healing Prayers Spells cast 50% faster and heal for 50% more Health. You get healed for 45 Health. 10 ¼ 5 Holy Haste Nightfall Monk. Divine Favor 14 Holy Haste Enchantment Spell For 56 seconds, your Healing Prayers Spells cast 50% faster. This Enchantment ends if you cast another Enchantment. You get healed for 45 Health. 10 1 10 Dwayna's Kiss Prophecies Monk. Healing Prayers 15 Dwayna's Kiss Spell Heal target other ally for 60 (+45) Health and an additional 35 Health for each Enchantment or Hex on that ally. 3 1 5 Ethereal Light Factions Monk. Healing Prayers 15 Ethereal Light Spell Target ally is healed for 100 (+45). This Spell is easily interrupted. 5 1 5 Orison of Healing Core Monk. Healing Prayers 15 Orison of Healing Spell Heal target ally for 70 (+45) Health. 2 1 5 Heal Party Core Monk. Healing Prayers 15 Heal Party Spell Heal entire party for 75 Health. You get healed for 45 Health. 2 2 15 Heal Other Prophecies Monk. Healing Prayers 15 Heal Other Spell Heal target other ally for 180 (+45) Health. 3 ¾ 10 Template code

The optional skill is meant to be replaced with either a rez skill under healing prayers ( Renew Life, Restore Life, or Resurrection Chant ) or a run skill, as keeping up to the puller may be difficult. Healer’s Boon is an absolute necessity for monking in Tombs, as damage is taken fast, and it is taken hard at times. Holy Haste is helpful also to speed up cast time.

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All in all, even if the builds are not implemented in fast pull circumstances, I think they are more efficient then most builds I’ve had pinged at me as of late, and I do hope more people adopt this style as it is more fun, more successful, and shorter.

Chiyu 20:33, 1 April 2008 (EDT)Chiyu

It's true, I've been with Chi alot with these builds,i like the SS...numbers are awesome...Its alot less of a hassle and more fun,give it a try! D Magico 20:52, 31 January 2008 (EST)

This build isn't meant for pulling Tombs. It's for relatively fast and safe completion of the whole instance system, paired with group farming for green items. Also, when I see Mending on build other than 55 I think it's pretty fail. Dr4goN (talk/pvxcontribs) 07:20, 3 February 2008 (EST)

I REALLY doubt you've tried it,i go alot with Chi and we complete it with no prob at all,its fast safe and easier D Magico 14:38, 3 February 2008 (EST)

I agree with your point about this not being a "build for pulling tombs" but it is the ideal build used while fast pulling--and it is more effective on the whole in any circumstance, fast or slow. And mending is simply a suggestion, it does not have to be used. I would just reccomend it because of how much an Orders' health drops while using Blood Is Power, the extra health regeneration is really useful. Chiyu 15:18, 3 February 2008 (EST)

[edit] Deletion?

nobody uses this build anymore. nobody does tomes anymore as it does not supply any source of income and you do not get a end-of-dungeon chest form it because it is not considered a dungeon. also, unlike the uw/fow, it is not actually considerd and elite area and does not give you a reward for beating it other then some crappy victos weapons. this is the only place where this build is viable and nobody does it anymore.Klomi 23:27, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

That'd mean archive, actually, and I don't feel like slapping the tag on it right now. -- Armond Warblade{{sysop}} 01:19, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

People still do Barrage/Pet in Urgoz Warren. Keep it. Selket Shadowdancer 03:48, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

I still run B/P in tombs.-- 11:07, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

Sadly, Ursan has taken it's place in fow, and b/p is no longer used in Tombs. Actualy Tombs have totally disappeared from maps. But I think with archiving this build, and making a new one from parts of it to be an organized build can save it.--Borotvalt 01:46, 26 July 2008 (EDT)

That's funny because I did Tombs with a B/P party a few days ago. Ursan is certainly more popular due to its easiness, but for non ursans this is still a good team build and should definitely be kept for those that want to play Guild Wars and not Bear Wars. I don't see the point in archiving this when this, not everything here on PvX is for PuGs. Selket Shadowdancer 09:20, 26 July 2008 (EDT)

The only problem in b/p is that the monk has a very hard job. I have redone the build as one on my user's subpages link. I want you to take a look to decide if that build is good or not.Borotvalt 03:02, 28 July 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Winnowing???

I've run the tombs numerous times with both fast and slow pullers but I've never seen anybody use Winnowing. This skill should not be listed as part of the Overview of this team build. This is further reinforced by the fact that Winnowing is only listed as a variant in the main text. Shadowcat 72.222.240.210 16:00, 9 December 2008 (EST)

Indeed, I would never go in a team who didn't bring winnowing. Less inportant than FW but still every little bit of damage counts 24.177.234.152 20:00, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Templates don't match

Well... First of all the templates listed above do not match with the rangers, monk and necros in the full descriptions. Which ones are the ones you should take with you if running this build? Secondly, the description of e.g. the barrage shouter doesn't match with the template that goes with it.

Could someone clean up this mess and make the templates and descriptions make sense? I have no idea which ones are the ones to use, so I can't do it myself. Thanks in advance. 84.85.197.187 14:25, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] the mm

no points in curses? with barbs etc.? lol?95.33.25.160 14:00, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Great Dwarf Weapon?

Umm... Where is Great Dwarf Weapon in the build? It should be listed at least in the optionals section. Splinter weapon GDW is a very good combo, ever tried it? I take it in every time I have at least 2 human players to swap it with each other. The added Knock down helps tons. 24.177.234.152 20:00, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] The Rt/N

Signet of creation was changed, any ideas for a variant?--Tyrael-- 16:03, September 1, 2009 (UTC)