great build with a red link discussion page... wut?--Ajsnuker 
23:20, December 18, 2009 (UTC)
- It's called being good. You should try it :> ---Chaos- (moo) -- 23:21, December 18, 2009 (UTC)
- I dont get what your trying to say... usually vetted builds have a discussion page O_O--Ajsnuker
01:45, December 19, 2009 (UTC)
- So I heard you needed to contribute to rate... I don't get how this is supposed to win. I see a ton of pressure, but nothing really to put it to good use. One primal is nice, but where is the rest of the damage? Theres no MoI for spike assist, and your counting on monks to be stupid in dealing with vor and backfire for main team deaths to happen. And hows the defense without MoI's snares and blurred? If empathy or insidious is being spammed (I'm assuming it is because the lack of anti melee), i stay on my 40/40 and spam cure hex on any purple arrows on 1 and 2.Danyale 10:55, December 20, 2009 (UTC)
- It doesn't spike, so a spike assist is unnecessary. Just win by having a ton of split-ability and utility, and pushing kills shouldn't be hard with a mesmer, ranger, prage + whatever support you'll get for the kill. Also, keeping down both Cure and Veil is nowhere near impossible, and unless you stalk the necro he should be able to cover in time. ---Chaos- (moo) -- 12:34, December 20, 2009 (UTC)
- The Mes/Nec splits off and keeps the other teams runner in their base. This means that the main team has to run flags with an offensive character so they won't push kills. It also means that they have no recuperation, pots or weapons; all of which are the biggest counters to hexes/degen (other than perhaps excessive hex removal, which is one of the ways to build wars this). If played on maps with a small area around the flag stand where people have to ball, like Weeping, then they will most likely wipe. If they don't wipe then they almost certainly won't be able to push you into your base, meaning at 28 minutes you will win on lord damage because they've had dark pact spammed on their guild lord for like 80% of the match. --Crow 12:42, December 20, 2009 (UTC)
- The point is that Crow is so respected that his builds get vetted for granted. ---Chaos- (moo) -- 12:34, December 20, 2009 (UTC)
- So I heard you needed to contribute to rate... I don't get how this is supposed to win. I see a ton of pressure, but nothing really to put it to good use. One primal is nice, but where is the rest of the damage? Theres no MoI for spike assist, and your counting on monks to be stupid in dealing with vor and backfire for main team deaths to happen. And hows the defense without MoI's snares and blurred? If empathy or insidious is being spammed (I'm assuming it is because the lack of anti melee), i stay on my 40/40 and spam cure hex on any purple arrows on 1 and 2.Danyale 10:55, December 20, 2009 (UTC)
- I dont get what your trying to say... usually vetted builds have a discussion page O_O--Ajsnuker
Anything to replace the CF Necro?[]
go go suggest/archive. --Frosty 
11:13, January 29, 2010 (UTC)
- IoP is a hit but proly not enough to warrant a kill.Cultist necro needs a change.Don't know if all in all the build is still viable tbh 91.177.9.5 15:15, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
I have seen a few matches where the CF nec has been replaced by a Lyssa's Aura Illusion mesmer that spams conjure nightmare/phantasm will under mantra of persitence. It easily keeps min of 5 degen on at 4 ot 5 targets.PVX-Zuko 15:54, January 30, 2010 (UTC)
Why replace CF?It Still works with 10+1 blood and 8+1 soul reaping(32/25sek).Sersch 13:48, February 1, 2010 (UTC)
Archiveeeeeeeee[]
No one runs this anymore--TahiriVeila 00:31, February 7, 2010 (UTC)